Echo Company 2/7
Vietnam
Veterans Chapter
1ST
Marine
Division
Association
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FMDA
Annual
Reunion
San
Antonio
Join
us
at
the
El
Tropicano
Hotel
on
the
famous
San
Antonio
River
Walk.
The
Alamo
Chapter
will
be
working
with
Armed
Forces
Reunions
Incorporated
(AFR)
as
our
Reunion
Organizer
and
Planner.
AFR
is
providing
pre-planning,
pre-registration,
on-site
management
and
reunion
tours.
More
information
to
follow
in
upcoming
Tooters.
It's
never
ever to
early
to
start
planning
for
the
2010
Reunion
in
San
Antonio
Texas.
THE
63RD
ANNUAL1ST
MARINE
DIVISION
ASSOCIATION
REUNION
AUGUST
23-29,
2010
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ATTENTION
Marines
& Navy
Corpsmen
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If you are
interested
in becoming
a Member
of the Echo
Company 2/7
Vietnam
Veterans
Chapter of
the 1st
Marine
Division
Association,
email Jimmy
L.
Clendennen,
Chapter
Secretary
at:
Echo27VietnamChapter@hotmail.com
your name
and address
for
Association
and Chapter
Membership
Applications
or apply
online here. If
you are
already an
Association
Member just
ask for a
Chapter
Membership
Application.
The
Old Breed
News
The official
publication
of the
1st
Marine
Division
Association
Here is
your
copy of
the
latest
Old
Breed
News,
compliments
of the
1st
Marine
Division
Association. Click
Here 
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Famous Quotes |
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"When I think of a Marine what I think of is a man who wants to do more, not less; a man you have to hold back, not shove."
~ President Lyndon B. Johnson
"And
they live
the
tradition;
the United
States
Marine bears
upon his
shoulders
the Nation's
past and the
hope for
the Nation's
future."
~
Hanson
W. Baldwin
"I
selected an
enormous
Marine Corps
emblem to be
tattooed
across my
chest. It
required
several
sittings and
hurt me like
the devil,
but the
finished
product was
worth the
pain. I
blazed
triumphantly
forth, a
Marine from
throat to
waist. The
emblem is
still with
me. Nothing
on earth but
skinning
will remove
it."
~
MajGen
Smedley
D.
Butler,
USMC
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We all
remember our
DI's running
us to the
point of
exhaustion
while
singing
cadence.
Here are
actual audio
clips of
DI's in the
making
of Marines.
Take a
listen that
will bring
back
memories.
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Marine Corps
Commercial
OOOOOOOOOOORRRAAAHHH!!!!
GREAT Marine
Commercial...Skip
the morning
coffee! This
short
clip will
pump you
up!!
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This
7min video
will shake
you with
pride as our
glorious
history is
relived.
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Camp
Lejeune
Historic Drinking
Water
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Water
contamination at
Camp Lejeune
The
Marine Corps
encourages all
those who lived
or worked at
Camp Lejeune
before 1987 to
register to
receive
notifications
regarding Camp
Lejeune Historic
Drinking
Water.
In August 1982,
Camp Lejeune had
reason to
suspect that the
appearance of
PCE
concentrations
in the water
samples could
have resulted
from the use of
coated
asbestos-cement
pipe in the
Tarawa Terrace
raw water lines
which are
hazards to
health. The
Department of
the Navy is
funding
independent
research
initiatives. For
more information
click here.
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Chapter Pride
Apparel |
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USMarine-OnceandAlways.com
provides pride
apparel and a
growing catalog
of products for
Marines. 1/5
Vietnam
Veterans, Echo
2/7 Vietnam
Veterans, and
members of BOC
Class 5-67 can
find their
custom logo
products here
and support the
group's
fundraising with
your
purchases. Now
is the time to
order
our chapter's custom
logo shirts and
jackets for the
reunion this
coming August.
usmarine-onceandalways.com Semper
Fidelis!
Nicholas Warr
U. S. Marine -
Once & Always
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Echo Company
2/7 Memorial
Monument |
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88 Fallen Hero's
of E 2/7
E
Company
2/7
Monument Dedication
with
next of
kin's as
honored
guest will
be held
at
Quantico
Va.
sometime
in May
of 2011.
It will
be an "E
Company
2/7
Reunion/Monument
Dedication.
The Monument
Committee
will
continue to
track our
Monuments
status and
keep you
informed
with
our Tooter
newsletters.
Semper Fi,
The Monument
Committee
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Vietnam-Era
Songs |
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All fellow Nam Vets. Here is a listing of popular songs released during the Viet Nam War including "Letters from Vietnam" - Hank Snow, "Vietnam Blues" - Dave Dudly, and "Vietnam" by Johnny Cash, and "50,000 Names on the Wall" by George Jones, and "Okie from Muskogee" by Merle Haggard. This listing has over 900 songs from the Vietnam War era. Choose your song, click on the link, listen & enjoy!
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look forward
to keeping
you
informed.
Semper
Fidelis!
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"Ready for
Anything
Counting on
Nothing"
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15 May 2010
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We liked to
call him
"Charlie",
"Charles",
or "Victor
Charles"
(taken from
VC) or, "The
Cong" (from
Viet
Cong). But
whatever we
called
him we
respected
his fighting
ability and
his ability
to fight a
war with
very little
in the way
of
equipment.
We called
him
Charlie
or
Victor
Charles
(from
VC) or
The Cong
(from
Viet
Cong). We
fought
him,
mostly we
beat
him, but
in the
most
political
war ever
fought
his
strongest
weapon,
the TV
sets in
American
homes,
proved
unbeatable.
The Viet
Cong
(called
VC) were
an
irregular
force of
peasants,
farmers
and the
like who
blended
into the
surroundings
because
they
lived
there.
They
were
hard
(impossible?)
to pick
unless
they
were
actually
engaged
in
warlike
activity
at the
time.
They
were a
tough
ruthless
enemy
who were
not
afraid
to use
any
means at
all,
including
their
women
and
children,
to
further
their
aims.
After
the
American
(therefore
all
allied)
troops
withdrew
the end
was
inevitable
for the
South
Vietnamese
forces
who had
no heart
for the
war. It
used to
be said
that
weapons
of the
Army of
the
Republic
of Viet
Nam
(ARVN)
were
good
value on
the
second
hand
market
as they
were
"never
fired
and only
dropped
once".
Victor
Charles
eventually
won.
Mostly
he was
dead,
wiped
out in
the Tet
Offensive
that was
a
military
disaster
for
them,
but a
political
gold-mine.
The
North
Vietnamese
Army
(NVA)
regular
soldiers
were reasonably
well
trained,
better
equipped
than the
Viet
Cong
guerrillas, and
more
likely
to be in
large
numbers.
The NVA
relied
heavily
on China
and
Russia
for
arms,
equipment
and
money
but they
fought
their
own
war.
It
was they
that
continued
the
battle
after
the Viet
Cong
were
destroyed
as a
fighting
force in
the Tet
Offensive
where
they
lost
30,000
troops
but
changed
the mind
of
Walter
Cronkite,
premier
American
TV
newsreader,
as to
who was
winning
the war.
President
Johnson
said "If
I've
lost
Walter
Cronkite
I've
lost Mr.
Average
Citizen".
After
the war
an
American
colonel
said to
a North
Vietnamese
colonel
"You
know,
you
never
defeated
us on
the
battlefield".
The
reply
was
"That
may be
so . . .
but it
is also
irrelevant".
VC
Local
Guerrillas
These
were the
archetypal
'farmers
by day,
soldiers
by
night',
comprising
those
either
to old
or to
young to
fight in
the
regular
VC units
and
dressed
as local
peasant
farmers.
Whilst
their
primary
activities
consisted
of
intelligence
gathering,
sniping
and
emplacing
booby
traps,
these
troops
were
employed
in the
support
of VC
Regional
and Main
Force
units
operating
in their
locality
as
porters,
scouts
and
guides.
Force
size was
dependent
on the
size of
the
local
village
or
hamlet
and
ranged
from a
single 3
man cell
to a
platoon
of 3-4
squads.
Generally
operated
at the
squad
level of
12 men.
VC
Regional
Guerrillas
The Regional
units of
the
Vietcong
more
often
than not
operated
as
independent
companies
but
often
split up
and
dispersed
into
platoons,
squads
and
cells.
These
soldiers
were
full-timers
and were
better
equipped
and
trained
than the
local
guerrillas.
The
personnel
of these
units
were
often
local to
the area
in which
they
served.
Generally
these
units
operated
within
their
home
region
and
fought
as fully
formed
units.

NVA Main
Force
Regulars
Known as
'hard
hats'
since
they
wore the
ubiquitous
pith
helmet,
these
forces
operated
and were
organized
along
traditional
military
lines.
Organized
into
battalions
consisting
of 3
Rifle
Company's
and a
Combat
Support
Company
these
troops
were, on
the
whole,
well
trained,
aggressive
and well
led. On
larger
operations
they
could be
organized
and
deployed
as
regiments
of 2-3
battalions.
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Enemy Rockets |
The VC and NVA used their improvised rocket artillery with deadly effect in the Vietnam War.
 North Vietnamese Army weaponry underwent a dramatic shift between August 1965 and September 1968. The enemy introduced new types of rockets which increased the NVA firing range from 2 to 6 miles, a development that not only gave clear evidence of a dramatic increase in Soviet arms support to the North Vietnamese but also spurred immediate changes in the U.S. and ARVAN defense tactics.
In the
early
stages
of
American
involvement
in
Vietnam,
Viet
Cong
forces
were
armed
with a
hodgepodge
of light
infantry
weapons.
Some
were
home
made,
while
others
were
captured
from the
French
or the
Japanese
World
War ll
occupation
forces
or
furnished
by
Chinese
Communists.
This all
changed
with the
intervention
of NVA
regular
units in
the fall
of 1965.
The
combined
NVA and
VC
forces
demonstrated
very
little
artillery
capability
until
they
unleashed
a
surprise
rocket
attack
on Da
Nang Air
Base on
27
February
1967. During
the
attack,
they
fired
more
than 100
140mm
rockets
from launcher
tubes
fastened
to
wooden
planks. They
were
grossly
inaccurate
and
caused
very
little
damage. Marines
recovered
several
of the
launcher
tubes.
Examination
indicated they
had been
disassembled
from
Soviet
BM-14
truck
mounted,
multi-tube
rocket
launchers.
The
significant
upgrading
of NVA
and VC
rocket
capability
was not
a
complete
surprise
to the
intelligence
community.
There
had been
vague
indications
from
captured
enemy
documents
and
prisoner
interrogation
reports
that the
new
weapons
were
coming.
Between
September
1968 and
the
with-drawl
of
American
combat
units in
1973,
many
additional
variations
of the
enemy
rockets
appeared.
Some
rockets
were
fitted
with
oversize
warheads,
which
greatly
reduced
their
range.
Some
were
fitted
with
range-retarding
disks,
called
Malandrin
Disks -
a
simple,
sheet
metal
collar
placed
between
the fuse
and the
projectile
- which
increased
air
drag,
thereby
making
it
possible
to fire
from
shorter
ranges.
The
enemy
showed
ingenuity
and
expertise
in
modifying
rockets
and
other
weaponry
during
the
Vietnam
War.
Many
examples
of the
modified
rockets
are on
display
and open
to the
public
at the
U.S.
Army
Ordinance
Museum
at
Aberdeen
Proving
Grounds
in
Maryland.
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The "Daisy
Cutter" |
Awesome size and terrifying power originally designed to create an instant clearing in the jungles of Vietnam.
Americans fighting in Vietnam relied on the helicopter. We rode to battle on the helicopter. The helicopter brought us perfumed letters from our girlfriends and a resupply of ammunition. If you were hit in a firefight, a helicopter whisked you away to an operating room. And if you survived your time in the field unscathed, a helicopter carried you back to a hot meal, a dry rack, and a cold beer. But jungle covered much of Vietnam, and helicopters needed LZs. The few natural LZs the Americans knew were well known to the enemy.
American commanders needed a method to make instant landing zones in the jungle. Some used concentrated artillery barrages to churn up small LZs on exposed ridgelines, but that tactic did not work well in the jungle proper.
In 1967, the Pentagon believed it had found the answer: "blockbuster" bombs to blow LZs out of the jungle. The M-121 "blockbuster's" weight (10,000 pounds) and massive grith precluded dropping it from the bomb bays and weapons pylons of the attack aircraft of the day, so the Air Force converted a few Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft into makeshift bombers. This required relatively few modifications because the M-121 was dropped using heavy equipment techniques - a regular mission for the C-130 crews.
On bombing missions the C-130 would approach the planned location for the LZ at about 2000 feet and deploy the bomb from the cargo ramp via a drogue parachute. The bomb would descend toward the jungle at about 340 feet per second while the C-130 raced away from the designated detonation point. When the 36-inch fuse extender on the nose of the bomb struck the earth, the M-121 detonated, sending it's massive blast sideways and upward instead of wasting its force digging a hole in the ground. Each M-121 blockbuster would blow out a gap in the jungle just large enough for one or two helicopters to land. Not only did it create an instant LZ, it also killed or stunned anyone within hundreds of yards from the blast - which in turn meant a cold LZ.
The M-121 blockbuster had two serious shortcomings. It's old age resulted in a high dud rate, and it's supply decreased rapidly. The Marines wanted these missions to continue, so the Air Force went to work on a replacement.
The answer: The BLU-82. While the M-121 held 10,000 pounds of TNT, the BLU-82 held 12,60 pounds of GSX. Each BLU-82 came with a relatively small price tag of $27,000.
The BLU-82 saw action in Vietnam and earned a glowing reputation and a number of nicknames. Most simply called it the "Daisy Cutter" due to the pattern it blasted out of the jungle canopy. From the air it resembled a daisy flower minus the stem.
Just like the M-121 before it, however, the BLU-82's limited stockpile guaranteed its demise. On March 12, 2003 the U.S. Air Force dropped the newly developed massive ordinance air blast (MOAB) for the first time. The MOAB, a 21,500-pound precision-guided munition has a larger and more accurate explosion then the BLU-82. The M-121 and the BLU-82, however, remains the biggest bombs ever used in the Vietnam war.
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Operation Meade
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In
January of 2010
the Two-Seven
Tooter ran an
article on
Operation Meade
River.
Operation
Meade River
could be
call "An LZ
Too Far"
because E
2/7's
mission was
to secure an
LZ when they
were
ambushed by
the NVA.
 According
to 2/7
Command
Chronology
for November
1968, Echo
Company took
heavy fire
with 5 men
killed and
23 wounded
"in about 10
minutes".
After the
ambush, dead
and wounded
Marines were
lying about
on the
opposite
side of the
river from
the
remainder on
the company.
Lt. Philip
Menagh took
command of
the company
after the
skipper was
hit, and
re-crossed
the river
under enemy
fire with
his Marines
to recover
the dead and
wounded.
In order to
document the
actions of Lt.
Phillip Menagh
in organizing a
recovery party
to retrieve the
dead and wounded
during Operation
Meade River
while under
enemy fire,
there is an
urgent need for
anyone that was
with Echo
Company 2/7
during Operation
Meade River to
come forward
with any eye
witness
information
concerning the
actions of Lt.
Phillip Menagh
during and after
the ambush at
the Song La Tho
river on
November
22,1968. Please
state what
squad, platoon
you were in,
what you saw Lt.
Menagh doing
during enemy
contact. Any
information you
may have will to
help honor the
late Lt. Menagh
with the
citations he so
well deserves.
Send your
transcripts to:
Come forward
with what
you know or
have
seen. Marine
Brothers
unite!
If you know
of
someone...
Semper Fi,
Echo Company
2/7 Vietnam
Veterans
Chapter
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