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FMDA Annual Reunion San Antonio
Join us at the El Tropicano Hotel on the famous San Antonio River Walk. The Alamo Chapter will be working with Armed Forces Reunions Incorporated (AFR) as our Reunion Organizer and Planner. AFR is providing pre-planning, pre-registration, on-site management and reunion tours. More information to follow in upcoming Tooters. It's never ever to early to start planning for the 2010 Reunion in San Antonio Texas.
THE 63RD ANNUAL1ST MARINE DIVISION ASSOCIATION REUNION AUGUST 23-29, 2010
ATTENTION
Marines & Navy Corpsmen 
If you are interested in becoming a Member of the Echo Company 2/7 Vietnam Veterans Chapter of the 1st Marine Division Association, email Jimmy L. Clendennen, Chapter Secretary at:
Echo27VietnamChapter@hotmail.com
your name and address for Association and Chapter Membership Applications or apply online here. If you are already an Association Member just ask for a Chapter Membership Application.
 The Old Breed News
The official publication of the
 1st Marine Division Association
Here is your copy of the latest Old Breed News, compliments of the 1st Marine Division Association. Click Here 
Famous Quotes
"When I think of a Marine what I think of is a man who wants to do more, not less; a man you have to hold back, not shove." 
President Lyndon B. Johnson

"And they live the tradition; the United States Marine bears upon his shoulders the Nation's past and the hope for the Nation's future."
~
Hanson W. Baldwin
 
"I selected an enormous Marine Corps emblem to be tattooed across my chest. It required several sittings and hurt me like the devil, but the finished product was worth the pain. I blazed triumphantly forth, a Marine from throat to waist. The emblem is still with me. Nothing on earth but skinning will remove it."
~ MajGen Smedley D. Butler, USMC
 
Marine Corps Cadence 
We all remember our DI's running us to the point of exhaustion while singing cadence. Here are actual audio clips of DI's in the making of Marines. Take a listen that will bring back memories. 
 Ho Chi Minh Is A Son of A Bitch 
USMC Cadence: 'Mama Can't You See'
"Drop your cocks and grab your socks"
 U.S.M.C. Boot Camp Reveille Call
Marine Corps Commercial
 
OOOOOOOOOOORRRAAAHHH!!!! 
GREAT Marine Commercial...Skip the morning coffee! This short clip will pump you up!!
This 7min video will shake you with pride as our glorious history is relived.
Camp Lejeune Historic Drinking Water

Water contamination at Camp Lejeune
The Marine Corps encourages all those who lived or worked at Camp Lejeune before 1987 to register to receive notifications regarding Camp Lejeune Historic Drinking Water.  

In August 1982, Camp Lejeune had reason to suspect that the appearance of PCE concentrations in the water samples could have resulted from the use of coated asbestos-cement pipe in the Tarawa Terrace raw water lines which are hazards to health.
The Department of the Navy is funding independent research initiatives. For more information click here.

Chapter Pride Apparel

USMarine-OnceandAlways.com provides pride apparel and a growing catalog of products for Marines. 1/5 Vietnam Veterans, Echo 2/7 Vietnam Veterans, and members of BOC Class 5-67 can find their custom logo products here and support the group's fundraising with your purchases. Now is the time to order our chapter's custom logo shirts and jackets for the reunion this coming August. usmarine-onceandalways.com Semper Fidelis!
Nicholas Warr
U. S. Marine - Once & Always

Echo Company 2/7 
Memorial Monument

88 Fallen Hero's of E 2/7

 E Company 2/7
Monument Dedication
with next of kin's as honored guest will be held at Quantico Va. sometime in May of 2011. It will be an "E Company 2/7 Reunion/Monument Dedication.
The Monument Committee will continue to track our Monuments status and keep you informed with our Tooter newsletters.
Semper Fi,
The Monument Committee
Vietnam-Era Songs
All fellow Nam Vets. Here is a listing of popular songs released during the Viet Nam War including "Letters from Vietnam" - Hank Snow, "Vietnam Blues" - Dave Dudly, and "Vietnam" by Johnny Cash, and "50,000 Names on the Wall" by George Jones, and "Okie from Muskogee" by Merle Haggard. This listing has over 900 songs from the Vietnam War era. Choose your song, click on the link, listen & enjoy! 
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Counting on Nothing"
15 May 2010 
   
We Called Him "Charlie"
   
We liked to call him "Charlie", "Charles", or "Victor Charles" (taken from VC) or, "The Cong" (from Viet Cong). But whatever we called him we respected his fighting ability and his ability to fight a war with very little in the way of equipment. 
       
We called him Charlie or Victor Charles (from VC) or The Cong (from Viet Cong). We fought him, mostly we beat him, but in the most political war ever fought his strongest weapon, the TV sets in American homes, proved unbeatable. 

The Viet Cong (called VC) were an irregular force of peasants, farmers and the like who blended into the surroundings because they lived there. They were hard (impossible?) to pick unless they were actually engaged in warlike activity at the time. They were a tough ruthless enemy who were not afraid to use any means at all, including their women and children, to further their aims. After the American (therefore all allied) troops withdrew the end was inevitable for the South Vietnamese forces who had no heart for the war. It used to be said that weapons of the Army of the Republic of Viet Nam (ARVN) were good value on the second hand market as they were "never fired and only dropped once". Victor Charles eventually won. Mostly he was dead, wiped out in the Tet Offensive that was a military disaster for them, but a political gold-mine. The North Vietnamese Army (NVA) regular soldiers were reasonably well trained, better equipped than the Viet Cong guerrillas, and more likely to be in large numbers. The NVA relied heavily on China and Russia for arms, equipment and money but they fought their own war. 
 
It was they that continued the battle after the Viet Cong were destroyed as a fighting force in the Tet Offensive where they lost 30,000 troops but changed the mind of Walter Cronkite, premier American TV newsreader, as to who was winning the war. President Johnson said "If I've lost Walter Cronkite I've lost Mr. Average Citizen". After the war an American colonel said to a North Vietnamese colonel "You know, you never defeated us on the battlefield".  The reply was "That may be so . . . but it is also irrelevant".
 
VC Local Guerrillas
These were the archetypal 'farmers by day, soldiers by night', comprising those either to old or to young to fight in the regular VC units and dressed as local peasant farmers. Whilst their primary activities consisted of intelligence gathering, sniping and emplacing booby traps, these troops were employed in the support of VC Regional and Main Force units operating in their locality as porters, scouts and guides. Force size was dependent on the size of the local village or hamlet and ranged from a single 3 man cell to a platoon of 3-4 squads. Generally operated at the squad level of 12 men.
 
VC Regional Guerrillas
The Regional units of the Vietcong more often than not operated as independent companies but often split up and dispersed into platoons, squads and cells. These soldiers were full-timers and were better equipped and trained than the local guerrillas. The personnel of these units were often local to the area in which they served.
Generally these units operated within their home region and fought as fully formed units.  

NVA Main Force Regulars
Known as 'hard hats' since they wore the ubiquitous pith helmet, these forces operated and were organized along traditional military lines. Organized into battalions consisting of 3 Rifle Company's and a Combat Support Company these troops were, on the whole, well trained, aggressive and well led. On larger operations they could be organized and deployed as regiments of 2-3 battalions.
Enemy Rockets
The VC and NVA used their improvised rocket artillery with deadly effect in the Vietnam War. 
North Vietnamese Army weaponry underwent a dramatic shift between August 1965 and September 1968. The enemy introduced new types of rockets which increased the NVA firing range from 2 to 6 miles, a development that not only gave clear evidence of a dramatic increase in Soviet arms support to the North Vietnamese but also spurred immediate changes in the U.S. and ARVAN defense tactics.
In the early stages of American involvement in Vietnam, Viet Cong forces were armed with a hodgepodge of light infantry weapons. Some were home made, while others were captured from the French or the Japanese World War ll occupation forces or furnished by Chinese Communists. This all changed with the intervention of NVA regular units in the fall of 1965. The combined NVA and VC forces demonstrated very little artillery capability until they unleashed a surprise rocket attack on Da Nang Air Base on 27 February 1967. During the attack, they fired more than 100 140mm rockets from launcher tubes fastened to wooden planks. They were grossly inaccurate and caused very little damage. Marines recovered several of the launcher tubes. Examination indicated they had been disassembled from Soviet BM-14 truck mounted, multi-tube rocket launchers.
The significant upgrading of NVA and VC rocket capability was not a complete surprise to the intelligence community. There had been vague indications from captured enemy documents and prisoner interrogation reports that the new weapons were coming.
 
Between September 1968 and the with-drawl of American combat units in 1973, many additional variations of the enemy rockets appeared. Some rockets were fitted with oversize warheads, which greatly reduced their range. Some were fitted with range-retarding disks, called Malandrin Disks - a simple, sheet metal collar placed between the fuse and the projectile - which increased air drag, thereby making it possible to fire from shorter ranges.
The enemy showed ingenuity and expertise in modifying rockets and other weaponry during the Vietnam War. Many examples of the modified rockets are on display and open to the public at the U.S. Army Ordinance Museum at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland.
The "Daisy Cutter"
Awesome size and terrifying power originally designed to create an instant clearing in the jungles of Vietnam.
 
Americans fighting in Vietnam relied on the helicopter. We rode to battle on the helicopter. The helicopter brought us perfumed letters from our girlfriends and a resupply of ammunition. If you were hit in a firefight, a helicopter whisked you away to an operating room. And if you survived your time in the field unscathed, a helicopter carried you back to a hot meal, a dry rack, and a cold beer. But jungle covered much of Vietnam, and helicopters needed LZs. The few natural LZs the Americans knew were well known to the enemy.
American commanders needed a method to make instant landing zones in the jungle. Some used concentrated artillery barrages to churn up small LZs on exposed ridgelines, but that tactic did not work well in the jungle proper.
In 1967, the Pentagon believed it had found the answer: "blockbuster" bombs to blow LZs out of the jungle. The M-121 "blockbuster's" weight (10,000 pounds) and massive grith precluded dropping it from the bomb bays and weapons pylons of the attack aircraft of the day, so the Air Force converted a few Lockheed C-130 Hercules transport aircraft into makeshift bombers. This required relatively few modifications because the M-121 was dropped using heavy equipment techniques - a regular mission for the C-130 crews.
On bombing missions the C-130 would approach the planned location for the LZ at about 2000 feet and deploy the bomb from the cargo ramp via a drogue parachute. The bomb would descend toward the jungle at about 340 feet per second while the C-130 raced away from the designated detonation point. When the 36-inch fuse extender on the nose of the bomb struck the earth, the M-121 detonated, sending it's massive blast sideways and upward instead of wasting its force digging a hole in the ground. Each M-121 blockbuster would blow out a gap in the jungle just large enough for one or two helicopters to land. Not only did it create an instant LZ, it also killed or stunned anyone within hundreds of yards from the blast - which in turn meant a cold LZ.
The M-121 blockbuster had two serious shortcomings. It's old age resulted in a high dud rate, and it's supply decreased rapidly. The Marines wanted these missions to continue, so the Air Force went to work on a replacement. 
The answer: The BLU-82. While the M-121 held 10,000 pounds of TNT, the BLU-82 held 12,60 pounds of GSX. Each BLU-82 came with a relatively small price tag of $27,000.
The BLU-82 saw action in Vietnam and earned a glowing reputation and a number of nicknames. Most simply called it the "Daisy Cutter" due to the pattern it blasted out of the jungle canopy. From the air it resembled a daisy flower minus the stem.
Just like the M-121 before it, however, the BLU-82's limited stockpile guaranteed its demise. On March 12, 2003 the U.S. Air Force dropped the newly developed massive ordinance air blast (MOAB) for the first time. The MOAB, a 21,500-pound precision-guided munition has a larger and more accurate explosion then the BLU-82. The M-121 and the BLU-82, however, remains the biggest bombs ever used in the Vietnam war.
Operation Meade River Revisited
In January of 2010 the Two-Seven Tooter ran an article on Operation Meade River.
Operation Meade River could be call "An LZ Too Far" because E 2/7's mission was to secure an LZ when they were ambushed by the NVA.
According to 2/7 Command Chronology for November 1968, Echo Company took heavy fire with 5 men killed and 23 wounded "in about 10 minutes". After the ambush, dead and wounded Marines were lying about on the opposite side of the river from the remainder on the company. Lt. Philip Menagh took command of the company after the skipper was hit, and re-crossed the river under enemy fire with his Marines to recover the dead and wounded.
 
Here is an 'eye-witness account". You may know this brave Marine.
In order to document the actions of Lt. Phillip Menagh in organizing a recovery party to retrieve the dead and wounded during Operation Meade River while under enemy fire, there is an urgent need for anyone that was with Echo Company 2/7 during Operation Meade River to come forward with any eye witness information concerning the actions of Lt. Phillip Menagh during and after the ambush at the Song La Tho river on November 22,1968. Please state what squad, platoon you were in, what you saw Lt. Menagh doing during enemy contact. Any information you may have will to help honor the late Lt. Menagh with the citations he so well deserves.
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Semper Fi,
Echo Company 2/7 Vietnam Veterans Chapter