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It's never too early to start planning for the 2010 Reunion in San Antonio Texas.
THE ALAMO CHAPTER WELCOMES THE 63RD ANNUAL
1ST MARINE DIVISION ASSOCIATION REUNION AUGUST 23-29, 2010
Click on the link below to access the Reunion Schedule and Registration Form
 
Camp Pendleton Anniversary 
Most of you know that Force Levels are in flux due to emerging requirements in South West Asia. The Division is doing its best to fight 2 wars and still host an abbreviated Anniversary celebration here at Camp Pendleton from 1-3 February 2010. Support our Marines! For complete information and itinerary contact oldbreed@sbcglobal.net 
 
The 2010 FMDA Business Meeting will be held at the Guesthouse Inn, Oceanside, CA 0800-1200 Monday February 1, 2010. Our Chapter Representative will be in attendance and report back on all topics and issues. 
 
MARK YOUR CALENDAR
1st Marine Division Association
Golf Tournament
Once a Marine, always a Marine!!
Mark your calendar for 20 February 2010!!
First Marine Division Association Golf Tournament
Saturday, February 20, 2010
Hosted by:
First Marine Division Association
Contact Jerry Bakke at:
623-535-0064. email: BDEBONAIR@aol.com
 
Famous Quotes
 
"The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war...shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their nation." 
~ General George Washington, 1789 
 
"And when you have served among good people, fellow Marines, some of whom you came to love with the same intensity as you do your own family, there are few others you will meet in your lifetime who can ever gain that same level of trust and respect." 
~ Senator Jim Webb, "A Time to Fight."
 
"A good Marine goes home every night with two important things intact; his Honor and his Integrity."
~
Unknown 
Echo Company 2/7 
Memorial Monument

88 Fallen Hero's of E 2/7

The Memorial Fund has made great progress again this month and now totals over $29,210!! We are very close to achieving our goal. To everyone that has contributed we thank you. It's an extraordinary feeling to see Marines making this commitment to our fallen brothers.

Semper Fi,
The Monument Committee 
Donate & More Info Here!!
 
Combat Area Casualties Vietnam War

Military Service Branch Number of Records:
Air Force 2,584
Army 38,209
Coast Guard 7
Marine Corps 14,838
Navy 2,555
Total 58,193 

 Did you know??
Country of Casualty Number of Records
Cambodia 520
Laos 733
North Vietnam 1,124
Communist China 10
South Vietnam 55,629
Thailand 177
Total 58,193
 
 
We would like to announce the Grand Opening of a new E-commerce website, www.usmarine-onceandalways.com.   
USMarine-OnceandAlways.com provides pride apparel and a growing catalog of products for Marines.  
1/5 Vietnam Veterans, Echo 2/7 Vietnam Veterans, and members of BOC Class 5-67 can find their custom logo products here and support the group's fundraising with your purchases.  
Semper Fidelis!
Nicholas Warr
U. S. Marine - Once & Always
 
Vietnam War Videos
 
The video camera of 1967 was not like as today's. Surprisingly, after all these years, these videos are crisp and clear telling a story about everyday life in E 2/7.
 
Film by PFC Thomas D. Jones of E2/7 Base Camp at the Lien Chieu Esso Depot in 1967.  
 
Film by Captain Martin C. Higgins of Echo Company 2/7 Base Camp at the Lien Chieu Esso Depot in 1967.  
 
All movies are compliments of our Chapter Secretary Jimmy Clendennen. Thank you Jimmy.... The footage will give you insights that you cannot find anywhere else. Visit JimmyFormerMarine's Channel on YouTube for more videos taken during the Vietnam War. 
 
Draft Lottery Capsules
What's Your Number?
During the Vietnam War, young men gathered in college dorms and friends' homes to listen to live TV and radio broadcasts of the U.S. Selective Service System drawing lottery numbers to determine who would and would not be drafted. 366 blue plastic capsules contained the birthdays that would be chosen in the first Vietnam draft lottery drawing on December 1, 1969. The first birth date drawn that night, assigned the lowest number, "001," was September 14.
How would YOU have done?
To find what number you would have received, click here to upload a PDF showing the Results of the First Vietnam Draft Lottery by month and day.
 
Web Site Aims to Uncover Fakers in Fatigues

Military impostors, beware: A Web site has been launched to root out fraudulent veterans and fakers in fatigues.
ReportStolenValor.org aims to expose people who fabricate or embellish military accomplishments by making it easier to report suspected Stolen Valor Act offenders to federal authorities and local media outlets.
AMVETS, an organization representing more than 250,000 veterans, unveiled the site.
 

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"Ready for Anything 
Counting on Nothing"
15 January 2010 
   
Operation Meade River
 took place in the "Dodge City" area of Quang Nam Province
 
 
Called Dodge City by Marines because of its shoot-em-up characteristics, the area 10 miles south of Da Nang was familiar ground for the Marines. It was about five miles wide and three miles long. It was low ground, says the official Marine Corps history, crisscrossed with rivers and streams, honeycombed with caves and tunnels; each hamlet, with its bamboo and thorn hedges and its drainage ditches indistinguishable from fighting trenches, was a potential fortified position. The major battles of Operation Meade River would take place in the two-square-mile center of Dodge City. 
 
Intelligence had determined that remaining elements of the decimated VC Doc Lap Battalion, which had operated in the area against the Marines for more than three years, along with other under strength VC units and several hundred NVA (North Vietnamese Army) troops, were again massing in the area. Going northward through Dodge City were two major enemy infiltration routes used by the NVA to supply and assist the VC in the rocket belt, whose main objective had been, and continued to be, the destruction of the Da Nang airstrip. Many enemy soldiers were rapidly staging in the area.
 
On November 20, 1968, at 4 a.m., Operation Meade River commenced. The monsoons for this part of Vietnam had started in October. Temperatures were dropping, and the Marines often found the nights cold. The conditions were miserable, and the rains, averaging one inch daily, added to the misery.
 
On November 22, Echo Company 2/7, tried to maneuver its way across the river into the what was called the Horseshoe, because of the large bend in the river, but the volume of enemy fire was too heavy. E 2/7 took many causalities. The 11th Marine Artillery carried out precision destruction missions against the enemy positions during the remainder of the 22nd. On November 23, the objective area was secured. The Horseshoe contained a multi bunkered complex of fighting holes and trench lines that had apparently been a battalion defensive position. Many of the bunkers had been constructed by civilians and enemy soldiers using railroad ties removed from under the remaining tracks of the Vietnam North South Railroad.

After the Horseshoe was secured by E 2/7 and Delta Company 1/1 which was attached to 2/7 to provide security for engineers who were lifted in to blow over 107 enemy bunkers and level the fortified positions. Many bodies were found in the bunkers in addition to a great deal of equipment and field gear and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Also uncovered were many sacks of lime and lime sprayers used by the enemy to sanitize and hasten the decomposition of dead bodies.
 
 
According to the 2/7 Command Chronology for November 1968, Echo Company 2/7 took heavy fire with 5 men killed and 23 wounded "in about ten minutes".
Echo Company 2/7 Marines lost five men on 22 November 1968:
  CPL Ben C. Burge, Houston, TX
Also Killed In Action was Navy Corpsman HM2 Leo Juan Miller.
True American Hero's
  
"40 years ago .....To all those Marines lost that day you are remembered and in my prayers; for all those who still have nightmares, you are in my thoughts today. That day 40 years ago my husband was a young 24 year old Lt with Echo 2/7. They lost a lot of Marines at the horseshoe trying to cross the river".
Nancy Menagh
Service, Marine Corps
Status, Veteran - Spouse
 
Operation Meade River - DECLASSIFIED
Declassified document direct from the Top: Headquarters, 2nd Battalion, 7th Marines,
This document lists more than name and dates of the operation. It lists out every officer, company, supporting forces, and close air support units engaged in Operation Meade River. It lists intelligence findings, weather, terrain and the mission, and in detail describes the battle activities of Echo Company 2/7, among the many other Companies that participated in Operation Meade River.
Now this unclassified document is your for the reading. See the actual of number of  KIA's, wounded, captured, and more. See weapons captured, equipment, structures and bunkers. See a re-supply request list, and a surprising Commander's Analysis where he assails the problem of refusal of air support to deliver ordinance while his troops are pinned down.
This 16 page document Combat After Action Report shows the scale of Operation Meade River, one of the largest operations of the Vietnam War.
SOURCE: Command Chronologies of 2nd Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment for the Vietnam War, 1965-70, United States Marine Corps History Division, MCB Quantico, Virginia.
Here is the link to their website.  www.tecom.usmc.mil/HD/
 
Echo 2/7 Command Chronologies: November and December, 1968
OFFICIAL RECORD - Operation Meade River
This is a report based on the official record of BLT 2/7 for Operation Meade River D+2 / November 22, 1968. Operation Meade River D+2 could be called "An LZ Too Far" because E/2/7's mission was to secure an LZ for D/1/1 when they were ambushed by NVA.
 
On D+2 Company D (1st Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment) was to make a helicopter borne assault to attack Objective 5. Company E (BLT 2/7) was to provide a base of fire for Company D. While moving across the river in the vicinity of AT981600, Company E came under heavy accurate small arms and automatic weapons fire from snipers in a tree line approximately 100 meters away. Six Marines and one Corpsman were KIA and 23 were WIA in about ten minutes. Among those wounded was the Company Commander (Captain Nelson) who was later evacuated. Contact was broken and the wounded were returned to the north side of the river. Communications were maintained during most of this contact.

The planned helicopter lift of Company D to attack Objective 5 was cancelled. Instead, this unit approached overland from AT994607 to the vicinity of AT992597. From this point the company crossed the river and commenced the attack on Objective 5. As the company advanced it was taken under heavy small arms fire, mortar, and automatic weapons fire at a range of approximately 400 meters. This fire came from the vicinity of AT985596 and AT986599. Two Marines were KIA, 15 were WIA, and two were WIANE. The company was forced to withdraw to the vicinity of AT989597 to establish a secure LZ. Communications were maintained during most of this contact; however, two of the casualties were the TACP radio operator and the BLT tactical net radio operator. This slowed down communications considerably, as the FO had to operate both the air and artillery radios. Medevac helicopters received heavy fire when they attempted to land and were forced to abort the mission. Just after dark another attempt was made to evacuate the casualties. In spite of sniper fire the most serious casualties were evacuated at this time.

Company D remained in a perimeter defense for the night. A flare ship and "Spooky" were on station throughout the night.

Companies E, F, G and H maintained the cordon in their positions during the day and night of D+2 and D+3.
Operation Meade River - Ambush on Echo 2/7
A first hand account 
Here is an email from Chico Zamora giving an account of Operation Meade River. Zamora was a Squad Leader in 1st Plt. E/2/7 at the time.

There was an area near hill 55 called Dodge City. It was called Doge City because the enemy controlled the entire area and flew their flag there.
Meade River was a small river that ran through the city. It was decided that we would pull an operation in Dodge City to take controll of  the city and destroy the enemy hence OPERATION Meade River.
 
The plan of the operation was to box in the city with friendly troops North, South, East and West. Troops on the east and west side of the box would remain stationary while the troops on the North and South side of the box would move toward each other flushing the enemy. This was supposed to be a Marine OP but we were told that the Army, Royal Korean Marines, and ARVN's assisted on this operation.

Echo Co was initially assigned to guard the Col. We kicked off the operation from some desolate road North of Hill 55 at about 7am and immediatly made contact with the enemy. They were waiting for us. They set up a pretty effective ambush and slowed us down. The contact lasted about 15 or 20 minuets. We probalbly moved aboout 1/2 a click from the road we started from. At about 4 or 5pm that same day we were ordered to dig in right where we stood. That nite we were on 100%  alert and the enemy probed our lines all nite long.

The next morning Echo Co was reassigned from guarding the Col. to the west side of the box which meant that we were the hunters and we would be initating contact and flushing out the enemy. We moved out about 8am and came upon the river at its fork. Echo CO Cpt Nelson sent 1st Plt down river and find a place to cross. 1st squad and 2nd squad went in oposite directions. We found a place to cross about 300 yards from the Batallion. It took us a while to find the crossing and the Cpt knew that the Col was pissed that it took us so long, and we were behind in meeting our objectives. Echo Co dug in parrallel to the river in order with weapons Plt between 1st and 2nd squad. That nite we took in a lot of small arms fire as the enemy was trying to get out of the box. That nite ECHO Co 1st Plt  took one casulty, Cpl Breslin (shot in the Jaw).

The next morning Cpt Nelson was visibaly pissed and ordered weapons plt to saddle up and told Lt Menagh (1st Plt Co) that he was crossing the river "here" and that 1st squad 1st Plt was to follow weapons. The Capt pulled out his .45 and lead the crossing, he went down the bank cross the river and up the bank with weapons following. It seems that the enemy waited for the last man from weapons to reach the top of the bank because they were all trapped. The enemy closed the ambush and opened up on weapons and the CO. My squad was on the other bank waiting for weapons to cross so when the enemy opened up we didn't cross but rather took cover in the trenches. We saw and heard all type of weapons being fired at Weapoms plt, 50's, 60's, RPG, SKS, AKS. You could see the dirt churning as the bullets hit trees dirt and anything in the way pf those 50"s making that sicking thud shredding anything it hit. My squad was closest to the river and my radio man gave me the receiver and a guy we call sailor (he was a corpsman) was hollering for me to get across the river and help them. The Co Gunny broke in and told me to take my squad across the river and assist. I told my squad what was up I told them I was taking point and for them to follow. As I reached the top of the bank my radioman (he was in the river) hollered at me and said the LT was on the horn and wanted to talk to me asap. Lt Menagh ordered me not to cross the rivrer. I felt like someone shot warm blood back into my body, my heart moved from my throat back to my chest. I ordered my squad to turn around and get back across the river. As I got on the bank of the river right behind me was the CO. The left side of his head was covered in blood and LT Menagh consoled him and had some of the Plt prepare to MEDIVAC him. We heard on our radios the Col telling all the Plt Com not to crosss the river because he was calling in air strikes. Lt Menagh told him we still had dead and wounded troops across the river. The Col was adament about the air strike and warned Lt Menagh not to cross that river. Lt Menagh said to us and the other P Leaders "Bull shit!. We brought those Marines over here and by God we are taking them home". The Lt asked for 5 volunteers and advised of what the Col had ordered. He got 5 volunteers right away - Jesus Vakera aka Pineapple, Reid, Chico Alfaro, Mike Todd, and Davis. The plan was we would form a bucket bragade between both banks throuogh the river the Lt would recover bodies and drop them in the river to the brigade, then we would pass the bodies to the troops on the other side for medicvac. The Lt made his run and the enemy opened up on him like a shooting gallery. The Lt would find someone and drag that person to the bank of the river if they were too heavy for him he tied then with a rope and gave us the end of the rope. It was truely a merical they could not hit him.
  
The Marines on the safe side of the river opened up on the oposite side to provide the LT with cover fire. The Lt brought back dead and wounded. I can't tell you how many the Lt broought back but I can tell you we didnt have a weapons PLT for the remainder of the operation. 

The Col heard all that firing and found out he (Lt Mengh) had crossed the river and he went biserk (anyone who has a radio heard the Col s tirade-squad leaders and up). The Col said he was going to Court Marshall LT Menagh for disbeying a direct order, insubordination, and on and on. You could visulize the Cols face and that veins sticking our to his neck. The other Lts of Echo Co thought that was not fair, and the troops also voiced three conserns, and so they put LT Menagh up for the Medal Of Honor. Well, Marine politics being the way they are kinda exonerated the LT. The Court Marshall was cancelled by the Medal Of Honor nomination and vice versa. That nite we dug in on the safe side of the river, F16's BBQed the other side of the river. A Marine batallion (can't remember which one ) pushed across through us. We finally crossed the river toward the burms that was our objective. All that day we fought for a ville while we sustained casualties from booby traps and a sniper.
 
Bravo (Weapons  Platoon) crossed first with Company Commander Captain Andrew Nelson leading the way. 1st Platoon followed but was ordered back when the ambush started. The CO got shot somewhere in the head but he survived. ALL OF BRAVO WAS SHOT OR WOUNDED. Lt. Philip Menagh 1st Platoon Commander was simultaneously put up for a Court Martial and the Medal of Honor (would make a good movie).
The above is a brief synopsis of  the events. It's a real interesting story. I was there with 1st Platoon (squad leader).
SEMPER FI!
CHICO

Here is another account. You get a pretty good description of what happened from them.
After 1st platoon walked across the river and were ambushed in a 30 cal machine gun crossfire, Lt Mengh came down from where ever he was at and told us all we are ordered to pull back. With wounded and dead across the river. Nobody listened. In fact we rebelled and he went with our wishes and stayed with us and went across the river. Sgt. Ball and my gun team what was left of it positioned ourselves on some high ground to see if we could supply cover fire for 1st platoon still in deep shit. We saw steam coming up from behind a dike in front of us a ways away. We figured it was the barrel of one of the crossfire machine guns. We called up Seymour (rockets) and he took it out.
Semper Fi, Kell
 
Note:
1st Lt. Philip Menagh took command after Captain Andrew Nelson was wounded after saving the lives of the wounded.
USMC Grunts - Hard Corps
A Grunt can do anything
The Grunt's story can't be told in a few words. Ultimately, only those who lived it can really understand how it was, what happened, and why to dirt-eating grunts Vietnam was an endless succession of bummers.
 
Vietnam was uniquely horrible. There was much in common with hell holes in other wars -- World War II in the Pacific or Italy comes to mind. But Vietnam did include the fact that while men there were out facing death day after day, others at home where not only enjoying civilian life, they were denouncing the war and the soldiers fighting it. In the latter years of the war, when news came from back in the U.S.A. it was hard to swallow indeed.
 
Besides the never-ending fear of death, grunts had to endure a host of miseries: merciless humps through a sun-scorched landscape packing eighty pregnant pounds, brain-boiling heat, hot house humidity, dehydration, heat exhaustion, sunburn, red dust, torrential rains, boot-sucking mud, blood-sucking leeches, steaming jungles, malaria, dysentery, razor sharp elephant grass, bush sores, jungle rot, moaning and groaning, meals in green cans, armies of insects, fire ants, poisonous centipedes, mosquitoes, flies, bush snakes, vipers, scorpions, rats, boredom, incoming fire, booby traps, body bags, and a thousand more discomforts. Despite all this the grunt did his job well.
 
USMC Grunts have been making dead enemies out of live ones since 10 November 1775. That's when the Second Continental Congress decided (quite wisely) to raise two battalions of Marines. Nobody kills enemies of our country or destroys stuff better than USMC Grunts - hard corps.
 
Semper Fi,
Echo Company 2/7 Vietnam Veterans Chapter